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The Hand to Hand mod

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:19 pm
by Kazaa
Hi guys
You have no idea how happy I was after I found this place
I used to play Morrowind years ago and in reality I never stopped

I searched for a hand to hand mod but couldn't find much except for some strange mods. Let me explain.
I'm looking for a simple and straigthforward mod that converts the damage done by fists IN health. So no more fatigue damage.

I tried to search in the CS for the werewolf scripts and such, but nothing. I know there's a mod that works for NPCs but it's not entirely health damage and it doesn't work for the player.

I tried to make a sample script for my own but without success (and it only worked for specific NPCs because I have no idea on how to make a global script that works for all NPCs and creatures)

So, any idea? I'm not asking about the unarmored mod because that's really easy just change a value in the CS, or about the marksman mod that in my opinion bows and xbows are balanced (late game skills ^^)

I really want to play a monk :(

Re: The Hand to Hand mod

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:44 pm
by Jac
The Morrowind Code Patch has an option for H2H attacks to damage health instead of fatigue. That'd probably be your best bet to start with.

Re: The Hand to Hand mod

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:55 pm
by Kazaa
Jac wrote:The Morrowind Code Patch has an option for H2H attacks to damage health instead of fatigue. That'd probably be your best bet to start with.

Wait what
Are you serious  :banghead:

What versions we're talking about here?
Mine enables the Strength damage but no mentions to health

Are you sure you're not confusing the ones? If this is true then it'd solve all the problems

EDIT: Just checked the 2.1 and it has no such feature :(

I was chatting with Drakkmore on this chat and we were talking about a "fist item" that deals damage based on Hand to Hand and is invisible. Only concern (at the moment) is how to train the skill without trainers

Re: The Hand to Hand mod

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:00 pm
by Kazaa
Ah forgot to say
If anyone could fix this mod
http://www.fliggerty.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=1103
(it uses MWE)

Because it doesn't work. Enemies do *a lot* of damage to your health and you still deal damage to fatigue.
Needless to say that, since I'm not a scripter, I tried to read the files and various variables/functions but understood almost nothing

This is the closest mod that does the hand to hand correctly and YET it doesn't work, lol :(

Re: The Hand to Hand mod

PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:43 am
by Phobos_Jugular
Kazaa - I found your post enlightening to say the least. My frustrations are similar and my attempts to create a totally satisfactory H2H health damage mod that would allow a monk to quickly beat the crap out of an NPC/Creature were unsuccessful. See my last response to sassman under my “Another Question …. “ post to see the various schemes that I tried and failed to find a solution.

Re: The Hand to Hand mod

PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:17 pm
by Jac
Sorry. I haven't used MCP in so long, I forgot what exactly it modified.

Flig's mod uses MWSE, not MWE. The former is the Morrowind Script Extender, while the later is Morrowind Enhanced. While both add new functions to MW, they're very different programs that do different things.

Anyway, this didn't work?

You can also have only a percentage of the overall fatigue damage transferred to health damage, so you can effectively damage both.  Adjust the variable fl_ih_percent.  It is a scale of 1-10, higher value means that less will be health damage; for 100% health damage leave it at the default of 0.

Re: The Hand to Hand mod

PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:17 pm
by Kazaa
WTF It uses MWSE ??

Ok I tried it and it actually works, but not quite cool.
I managed to read some scripts and it says something about gauntlets and the kind of armors the enemy is wearing.

My question now: is it possible to remove any of these references, making the mod doing just fatigue+health damage (or only health, whatever) both for NPC and PC? Bonus: making a little bit extra damage the more speed/agility you have would be cool too.

Thank you

PS: The girl at the Lighthouse in Seyda Neen one shot me with her punches btw

Re: The Hand to Hand mod

PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:55 pm
by Jac
It's possible, but Fligg is the MWSE guru and he's very, very busy with work and family life right now. The last time I looked at an MWSE script my eyes crossed, so don't expect anything anytime soon from me.