REL Keyring

[Jac Making my way back]

Dodgej, click on the key when you open up the console and before you type "ori". It looks like you clicked on something else and not the key ring.

[dodgej]

I opened that mod w/winzip and viewed that  nif. file with the internal viewer and the best I can fiqure is it has something to do with the wood texture.    Anyway while  that was there I quicksaved the game and when I re-loaded that save the  thing was gone and my keyring was there and working properly.   .  I hope I didn't cause you too much .Thanks for your time.   .  I' m gonna go play some more and let you know if any thing else crops up.

[Fliggerty]

I've released an update to address some issues with the auto-find feature.

v1.1
-- Added equip-to-setup feature.

--Fixed bug preventing proper function of keyring when auto-find is turned off.

--Auto-find feature will check first portion of an id to find the word "key."

[dodgej]

Where can I get this update?

[Fliggerty]

Here, at the top of this thread in the original post.

[Lady Godiva]

^^Wierd... but I remember in the original thread I saw about this mod Fligg... a guy said he had the SAME problem.

He was in Vivec I think. He did something and his keys disappeared too. He said that at the same time they disappeared, something that 'looked like a tombstone' appeared in a doorway right near him. Clicking on the 'tombstone' did nothing.

I'd say the above screenshot looks like a tombstone... so this is not the first time someone has seen this error.

Now for my question. I read someone complaining that once the keys were inside the keyring, there was no way to get them back out. Yet you say in the above documentation that the best way to prevent stuttering is to 'dump off' unusued keys from time to time. Does this mean that you have now made it possible to get keys back out of the keyring?

Did you ever resolve the slave thing because I run a BJ's Twinlamps mod. I can handle doing evil deeds, such as cruel and barbaric murder of innocents. I cannot abide slavery though. LOL. If I come across an unsavable slave, I feel depressed all day in RL. Hehe. I must have working slave keys.

[Fliggerty]

The keyring is a container.  When you set it down, you can open it just like any container and add/remove contents.  If it isn't in your inventory, it won't automatically remove your keys from your inventory.  You can also turn off the feature that does automatically remove your keys by equipping the keyring and then selecting the option you want in the menu that will show.

I suspect that "tombstone" issue has something to do with the mesh screwing up.  Someone edited the collision and a few other details on the mesh and sent it to me recently, so perhaps that will fix the issue when I release the next update.

[Lady Godiva]

Did you ever release a version that could not be set down and opened? The thread I read had more than one person expressing disappointment that they couldnt' retrieve a key once inside. One person in particular was concerned that the key to Nerano manor was taken (possibly not by autofind, but by user choice before the user understood the implications). This is the key that you need to give Sugar-Lips Hasibi for the Theives Guild questline (Balmora). You were in discussion with this person, but only early on. I can't remember what you suggested but it wasn't that they could set down the keyring and retrieve the key. The person ended up posting that they were able to add the key to their inventory again via console and continue playing.

I wish I could remember the url for the site, because it sounds like it needs updating badly. What I can say is this. There is a site out there that appears on my monitor as plain light purple screen. It lists all of your mods (other pages or sections have other people's mods too) but very little information about most of them. You can download direct from this site, if that rings a bell. Very occasionally there will be a link on this site that takes you to somewhere such as a person's own webpage or PES, or other site that has info about the mod.

I'm not sure how great a problem that big key/tombstone issue is. In this thread Dodgej said a reboot fixed the issue. I'm pretty sure in what I read previously nothing fixed it and they had to revert to an earlier save. Either way, I'm definately downloading this YAY!

!!!IMPORTANT!!!! Did we resolve the issue Jac asked about? The SLAVE key thing? I see you updated it so it looked for key in the 'first part of the id'. From memory slave keys have slave first, but I could be confusing ID with name.

[Deladriel]

Hmh, I'm having the same problems as some of the people above. Whenever I set the keys down they blink out of existence after being on the surface for about half a second. This wouldn't be such a tremendous issue were it not for the fact that the ring takes slave keys and quest keys with impunity. If I uninstall the mod I fear I'll lose all the keys that it's holding, which is why I have yet to try it. Otherwise I've found the mod to be tremendously helpful and bug free (Hey, it's working great. A little -too- great.)

[Skeli]

All your missing now is a hargrid NPC XD

[Fliggerty]

I'm working on a fix to work with slave/quest keys.  I also suspect that the disappearing issue is caused by collision issues with the keyring mesh.  Tetchy was so kind as to fix the mesh for me, so it will be included in the next update as well.

[Lady Godiva]

This crashed my game. So did Better Telekinesis, More Quick Keys, Oblvion Style Spellcasting, Arrow De-nocker, Battle Cry, To the Death, Merchant Investments, Gravedigger, Health Indicators, Handy Equipping and Avenge Your Death.

Strangely I have no issues with Blasphemous Revenants (and had no problems with Vvardenfell drug lord before installing Liztails Animkit) or the Lost Artifacts of Tamriel, or Controlled Jumps, or Universal Companion Share.

What's going on? Is there any common thread you can find with the mods that DO work for me and the ones that DON'T. I always use the latest version of MGE (with the inbuilt version of MWSE). I don't use MGE.


Also are you aware you recycled the same idea for two mods? No offense but it's a tad weak to read the same phraze as the description intro for 2 mods in a row. (They begin "A seemingly crazed old man..."

Visceral Discernment & Magic Hole.

[Fliggerty]

Most of the ones you have problems with have constantly running MWSE scripts.  One of the others that works fine does, but most do not.  I think your CPU just can't handle it.  Are you using the code patch and Timeslip's exe optimizer?  Those both may help.  Also maybe play the game after a "cold boot" (Google it to find out more about that.)

Also are you aware you recycled the same idea for two mods? No offense but it's a tad weak to read the same phraze as the description intro for 2 mods in a row. (They begin "A seemingly crazed old man..."

That was done on purpose.  Of course I'm aware of it.  The character is exactly the same.  And he will appear in future mods as well.

[Lady Godiva]

Most of the ones you have problems with have constantly running MWSE scripts.  One of the others that works fine does, but most do not.  I think your CPU just can't handle it.  Are you using the code patch and Timeslip's exe optimizer?  Those both may help.  Also maybe play the game after a "cold boot" (Google it to find out more about that.)

Also are you aware you recycled the same idea for two mods? No offense but it's a tad weak to read the same phraze as the description intro for 2 mods in a row. (They begin "A seemingly crazed old man..."

That was done on purpose.  Of course I'm aware of it.  The character is exactly the same.  And he will appear in future mods as well.

My CPU is an Intel Core 2 Quad (q6600) slightly overclocked (to run a 3ghz). Are u sure this is the issue? Also yeah, I run the latest code patch and version v1.96 exe opt (the last 'good' version yeah?)

[Fliggerty]

Morrowind doesn't really take advantage of multiple cores, it was made before they came out.  And Windows has yet to properly distribute CPU threads over multiple cores for older applications.  So don't be so sure that having a quad core will be sufficient for Morrowind.

[Deladriel]

There is also an additional incompatibility with Illuminated Order. Apparently the keyring will take a key that isn't used to directly open a lock, but is checked for when you open the door. If you attempt to open the door without the key within your inventory you get a message saying that "it feels like a force is pulling from the other side of the door" or something to that effect. The key is called "Demnevanni Manor Key", console code "Key_order_02".

In the mean time, the codes for the keys you will need can be found here:

http://www.uesp.net/morrow/hints/mwitemtable.shtml

Thieves Guild Quest Key: "key_neranomanor"

[Lady Godiva]

Deladriel - Thanks for the info. I use that mod so that's useful. I'm sure Fliggerty will take a look and find a solution also

FLiggerty - Yeah I know that a lot of older games won't use any more than 1 or 2 threads (hence why a duo core may have been a better choice because each core is usually a bit faster than those on a quad and I'm yet to know of an RPG that uses all 4) but I think that with each core running at 3ghz, that should be pretty good. I assembled my old P4 back in 2004 (isn't this after MW came out?) and it was only 2.8 ghz. I don't really understand how the PC works with this stuff, but I'd be thinking it would smart enough to run any other tasks that windows may be running in the BG to one of the other cores and the game to its own?

[Fliggerty]

You'd think that, but you're fogetting two things.  First of all, this is Windows we are talking about.  There's no explaining why Windows does what Windows does.  And secondly, this is Morrowind we are talking about.  There's no explaining why Morrowind does what Morrowind does.

[Lady Godiva]

You'd think that, but you're fogetting two things.  First of all, this is Windows we are talking about.  There's no explaining why Windows does what Windows does.  And secondly, this is Morrowind we are talking about.  There's no explaining why Morrowind does what Morrowind does.

Sig worthy!

[Fliggerty]

New version available.

v1.2
-- New mesh that should prevent the "headstone" bug.

-- Icon modified to add proper transparency.

-- Keys are now available in dialogue for quests and slaves (traders excluded.)




tetchy: Pointed out bug with auto-find feature, also repaired the mesh and icon.

[Evil Eye]

Nice

*downloads*

[SCO]

A question! I think this mod may be crashing my game, not because of itself per-se, but because i'm running too many mods (162). Why it specifically? I have a savegame that crashes when loaded, but does not when keyring is disabled. I also had a older savegame that crashed when i looked at a chest.

I was trying to see if i can use keyring by disabling the autofind feature. I assumed that the autofind would not be needed to add keys to the keyring, so i put it on the floor (and here is another strange thing, it isn't put on the floor where the cursor is, but directly beneath the avatar, after a fraction of a second where it appears on the place where i put it), and can open and put keys inside no problem. However i don't know how to pick it up! Surely disabling the auto find doesn't disable the whole keyring?

I hope that the problem is not the earlier one.

[qqqbbb]

I wanna rewrite the mod with lua. Can I use the keyring model?