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Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:52 am
by Leonardo
I would be surprised if anyone here that doesn't play a Total War game except me so I'm starting this TW thread and provide some useful links too (re-posted links from BethSoft). Have fun.  :D

I can also provide some useful links to the Total War games series as well and here can you find more news about modding.

Official forum - Total WarUnofficial forum - Total War CenterTotal War Center WikiGameplay and strategy for each gameI'll update the OP if anyone want to have a list of mod recommendations or solutions of troubleshooting in the OP.

Mod recommendations
Lord Kaelin - Extended Greek Mod for Rome Total War, Third Age Total War for Medieval 2 and Stainless Steel for Medieval 2
Nefarious One - The Last Kingdom, a massive M2:Kingdoms mod
Elrond - Darthmod for Empire Total War
uberbanna - Dathmod: Shogun II
Medivh - Europa Barbarorum (EB2 is WIP)

DarkOneVenzar has a tool for managing your Medieval2TW mods. Thanks for sharing this M2TW-mod tool.
For those who need to simplify the installation and removal of mods from their Medieval 2 launcher check out this program I wrote which makes it a bit easier. Despite the name the program doesn't actually install the mods, just installs them to the launcher. You do need the .NET 4 framework installed, but the client profile version works just fine.

How to install mods on Steam versions
Install the mod into this <path>\Steam\steamapps\common\<total war="" game="">\data\ folder which create this <path>\Steam\steamapps\common\<total war="" game="">\data\<mod folder=""> structure on your HDD
if the installation has more than one setup file just install it into the same folder like the first one and patches too


Since Vaskill mentioned Steam I realize that were no such list of Steam version games in the OP, but below they are listed and let me know if there is something to add or correct that game list.


Retail Version
  • Medieval TW
  • Medieval 2 TW
  • Rome TW
  • Shogun TW
Steam Version
  • Empire TW
  • Napoleon TW
  • Shogun 2 TW
Please note that most retail games is also available on Steam except for Shogun TW and probably Medieval TW, because the older titles was development with either DX7 or DX8 for Windows 95/98 when they were released in the 90's.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:02 pm
by Leonardo
The official forum is now back online again without SEGA Pass System, but you need to reset your password first before you can login and change it.  :D

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:28 pm
by kikaz
Ah yes, quite a fun series of games. My favorite was "Rome: Total War" with the mod "Europa Barbarorum." I once tried to make a "Morrowind: Total War" mod for RTW, but it never got off the ground; there are several other Elder Scrolls related mods at varying degrees of completeness (but you know that... haha, I just saw your thread on it).

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:11 pm
by Leonardo
Updated OP  :good-news:

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:21 pm
by Maiqdabomb
I just got Rome: Total War... still haven't fought my first online battle though. I've heard some good things about Belle's Map and Skin pack for R:TW.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:06 pm
by Leonardo
That was news to me about that mod. You can either play a historical battle or a quick battle through the single player menu, but a quick battle is just what's the game choose what battlefield you're gonna to play and the armies there is on the battlefield. Historical battle can sometimes be a real challenge when you play a battle against AI.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:13 pm
by Maiqdabomb
I haven't touched historical battles, but I've been playing a ton of Custom offline battles against the CPU. I'm starting to get the hang of it, thanks to some gameplay videos from some amazing players.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:56 am
by Leonardo
Since you mention custom battle you can have custom armies with custom battlefield, which you can save if you want to play it more than once and you even choose how many armies there is on the battlefield in total (2vs2 or 4vs4).

However the battlefield on the campaign map is quite different, because you can either choose automatic solution or you play the battle as a general. But also have a least 2 units of your army controlled by the AI and select them and click on computer symbol I think then click on the AI group to attack the enemy by right click (single click is walking or double click is running). This may sounds too much for you to digest, but it's how the game works.

All units who is running get tires faster than those units who is walking and that's exactly the same you have seen in Morrowind or Oblivion since it's all about fatigue, because any unit who is tired doesn't have much fatigue left and fight less effective than those troops with more fatigue left will fight more effective. The difference between Total War games and TES games is that your spellcasting starts to fail more often in TES games. What happen in Total War when several units are really tired and they're under missile fire well they rout unless an unit have high moral, which can be improved by you as a general to move closer to where the fight is hard or there are frighting enemy units nearby.

Once all units in an army starts to rout the battle is lost and if you have a victory by just have an enemy army routing just chase them down to kill every enemy you see, because your troops will be more experienced for later battles.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:51 pm
by Maiqdabomb
Yeah, I've pretty much figured everything out now, and I've begun to develop my own strategies. I think I'm relying a bit too much on my cavalry right now... I basically use the Macedonians and deploy loads of Companion cav and use them to fight half the battle. I just really don't like using Roman factions. The units are all so similar, it's tough to choose which units to do different tasks (besides the obvious matchups, like Triarii vs cav)

But I'm starting to love Phalanx pikes + Cretan archers when defending a town. There's just no way to get past all that if I deploy enough of each.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:39 pm
by Leonardo
I can understand why you don't like the Roman units right now, but I promise you that will be drastically changed when you have Marius reforms and that happens when you have done something special.  :wink:

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:09 pm
by Maiqdabomb
Well, I'm kinda avoiding campaign right now. I'm probably gonna end up playing more online battles than anything else. But I guess I'll figure it out later.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:25 pm
by Leonardo
I think you're gonna to like the imperial campaign with very hard settings for both battle and on the campaign map, because that was I did almost a week ago and this is my story report of an oddity in Rome Total War.  Reposted this from BSF.

About a week ago I started a new game and this time I decided to play Brutii with the very hard settings (battle, campaign map) just to see how it was like.

The year is summer 259 BC and have done everything I wanted to do for this turn so I click on the end turn icon, but in the next season I got the "Death Stalks The Land" message so I clicked on the event icon and then Tylis the Thracian capitol was marked on the campaign map.  I was surprised and wonder how in earth can Tylis being plagued now, because afaik Thessaloniki should have the plague event in 255-259 BC and has always been that when I played the imperial campaign (easy on both battle, campaign).  I could be wrong though.

I reloaded my gamesave and the same happen again, so I decided to move out my spies from Tylis and click on the end turn icon.  But when I check out the result I saw a Thracian spy outside of Tylis, so click on it to view another faction agents.  The Thracian have actually used their own spy, which was a plague bearer to try to catch my spies in Tylis.  :-o   How stupid can an AI be?  :roll:

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:06 pm
by Maiqdabomb
Wow...the Thracians sent a spy with the plague to their capital to catch your spy? Ingenious. Truly :sheo:

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:12 pm
by Leonardo
I would say they're indeed desperate and crazy.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:19 am
by Maiqdabomb
I was just watching a pretty popular RTW player on Youtube... his opponent formed into a "noob circle" when you form your pikemen in a circle facing outwards... his opponent kept telling him to give up because he had pretty much won. He beat him and replied "Just because you formed into a noob circle doesn't mean you won. It means you formed into a noob circle." I thought it was pretty funny, seeing as a noob circle is generally seen as "invulnerable."

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:16 pm
by Leonardo
I just read this thread again when I notice something important that I haven't mentioned (sorry I forgot  :oops: )  before and I think you can understand why the Roman armies is hard to understand in the early stages of a campaign in Rome TW.  :D

You see it's all about the history of Roman military doctrine, which was basically the Senate and People of Rome in others words the Republic of Rome and historical the senate was very conservative with everything including its military.

Early Roman strategy was to have three battle lines and the Hastati is the 1st line followed by the Principes as the 2nd line and the last 3rd line is the Triarii, so when the Hastati is spent the Principes takes care of what Hastati didn't managed.  The Triarii is only used in case of critical moments or when the battle can be won they are sent to the death, because they will fight to the bitter end even if they will ceased to exist or they will prevail with victory.

I hope this information is enough about the Roman military units of their armies on the imperial campaign in Rome TW.  Btw... You can also right click on an unit card to see what task the unit plus abilities it has, but also weakness and what strategy is the best.

Maiqdabomb wrote:Yeah, I've pretty much figured everything out now, and I've begun to develop my own strategies. I think I'm relying a bit too much on my cavalry right now... I basically use the Macedonians and deploy loads of Companion cav and use them to fight half the battle. I just really don't like using Roman factions. The units are all so similar, it's tough to choose which units to do different tasks (besides the obvious matchups, like Triarii vs cav)

But I'm starting to love Phalanx pikes + Cretan archers when defending a town. There's just no way to get past all that if I deploy enough of each.

Have you played a custom battle yet with Spartans in your army or the Spartans is your enemy?  :mockery:


The mercenaries Cretans Archers is just awesome, because it's the one of the few archers (Gaul has the forest archer, Romans with Marius reforms has auxilia archer) units who have long missile range IIRC.  Good luck with your battle.  :D

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:23 pm
by Maiqdabomb
I had a decent idea of how early Roman armies formed their ranks, but thanks for clearing it up, Leo. But personally, I just prefer to spam Urban Cohorts and Praetorian Calvary :sheo:

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:16 pm
by Leonardo
Spam with what???  :unsure:    Sorry but I've no idea what you're talking about would you be mind elaborate that please.  :shrug:

Perhaps I'm too tired right now to understand what you mean.  :yield:

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:07 pm
by Maiqdabomb
Urban Cohorts are the elite of Roman Legionaries. Praetorian Cavalry are the elite Roman cavalry.  I don't bother wasting money on Hastati and Principes, they fight poorly and rout easily.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:49 am
by Leonardo
Maiqdabomb wrote:Urban Cohorts are the elite of Roman Legionaries. Praetorian Cavalry are the elite Roman cavalry.  I don't bother wasting money on Hastati and Principes, they fight poorly and rout easily.

I know that because I've been playing Total War games and Morrowind for 8-9 years now and now I see what you mean by spamming your army with Urban Cohorts, Praetorian Cavalry instead of Hastati, Principes.

early unit
  • Hastati - light infantry with heavy weapons and very effective against spearmen, light infantry plus some heavy infantry
  • Principes - heavy infantry with heavy weapons and very effective against spearmen, all heavy infantry except for barbarian berserkers
  • Triarii - heavy spearmen with heavy weapons and very effective against cavalry plus your second choice to defeat chariots
  • Velites - skirmisher armed with javelins and very effective against elephants, chariots
  • Archer - is what it is with normal missile range (called Roman Archer in-game) and the use of fire missiles is effective against elephants, chariots to make them run amok
Both Praetorian Cavalry and Urban Cohorts are elite units within the Praetorian Guard, so don't forget Roman Cavalry and Legion Cavalry plus an Armoured General Bodyguard which is better than a normal General Bodyguard.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:07 am
by Maiqdabomb
I'm just saying that I play online and I play to win. Spamming means bringing a lot of those units. Those are the best Roman units, so that's what I bring. There really isn't much to it, Leo.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:34 am
by Leonardo
Damn I was to slow to edit my post before yours Maiq and like I said I know what you mean.  :smile:

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:40 am
by Maiqdabomb
Yes, that's what I meant. Hastati and Principes can be nice to have as novelty units, or to create a historical early Roman army, but in terms of winning, I prefer the elites.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:08 pm
by Leonardo
Maiqdabomb wrote:Yes, that's what I meant. Hastati and Principes can be nice to have as novelty units, or to create a historical early Roman army, but in terms of winning, I prefer the elites.

In one aspect disagree.  I consider Principes to be a winning force since they're a heavy infantry which Hastati isn't and Hastati also tends to rout more often than Principes.  Especially when cataphracts (Parthia heavy cavalry) charging into your light infantry (Hastati) while Principes can fight a little longer than a Hastati, but to make sure that you still have a chance to win with only Hastati or with both is to have your general stationary closed behind them.

Re: Total War Game Series

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:16 pm
by Maiqdabomb
I'm saying that both Hatati and Principes are nothing compared to Urban Cohorts in combat. Principes aren't even as good as a simple Early Legionary Cohort. I'm not disagreeing with you that Principes are better than Hastati, but I'm telling you, they're both a waste of money in an online battle.